@misc{indiciaec4c163490ac4,
  title = {den Herder et al. reply.},
  author = {den Herder JW and HP Blok and E Jans and L Lapikás and de Witt Huberts PK},
  year = {1988},
  doi = {10.1103/physrevlett.60.1343},
  url = {https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10038011/},
  note = {Source identifier: 10038011}
}