@misc{indiciaed6534fd9668b,
  title = {Conversation with Klaus Mäkelä.},
  author = {K Mäkelä},
  year = {2001},
  doi = {10.1080/09652140120075125},
  url = {https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11571058/},
  note = {Source identifier: 11571058}
}