@misc{indiciae1a4b62fe33b5,
  title = {Conversation with Harold Holder.},
  author = {Harold Holder},
  year = {2005},
  doi = {10.1111/j.1360-0443.2005.01066.x},
  url = {https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15847615/},
  note = {Source identifier: 15847615}
}